Who on here belives that rock runs $18 a day is too much. And the $125 season pass is too much.

For a dollar a day, I still would'nt ride there.

Pay $50 for a years pass and head to Hatfield/McCoy.
100 fold better riding. ANF is only $35 per year, and
SSRT I believe is cheaper for the year then it is for
a one day rock run pass. Rock run just sort of sucks.

If you think it is to much don't go there, how simple is that! LOL!! There's plenty of other places to go and you don't have to go to WV to ride. How would going to WV be less expensive than Rock Run any how? Its further to travel and you'll need some sort of lodging. Sounds expensive to me. I'm not a fan of pay to play areas cause I got tons of free riding where I live. But if its all you got I would imagine you would have to take in the cost of traveling to other cheaper places before you decided how expensive or how cheap a place is to ride. LOL!!

no it is not to HIGH. had a great ride there yesterday.

i live pretty close, about 1/2 hour away and i've only been there 3 times. both of the "ride till midnight events" and one of the $5 days.
i agree that $18/day is a bit much. if i spent $20 a day to ride, it wouldn't be terrible, but if i take the wife and kids that same ride would cost me over $100.
Tri-County costs me about the same for a YEAR as RR would for 1 day.
H/M is sweet and i've been there a few times, but chris is right, making that drive every weekend just isn't feasible.
SSRT is $15 per machine per year, you can't beat that with a stick!
i also have plenty of local riding, but i have been riding those same trails for 30 years, and i like to see some new scenery once in a while. besides, my kids don't enjoy the ensuing police chase ......... LOL

i don't think Rock Run's trails are the greatest, but i would go more often if the price came down a little!

I think the price is reasonable. Rock Run $18.00, Mines and Meadows $25.00, Lost Trails $35.00. The days of free, hassle free riding are pretty much over. Yes Rock Run is owned by the state but it is a pretty big park to maintain and that cost money.

Those days aren't over yet, there is plenty of FREE riding. Whiskey Springs and Bloody Skillet are probably the best free riding the state has to offer and now with your SSRT membership you can ride from SSRT to Bloody Skillet and hopefuly some day you could continue on to Whiskey Springs and Potter county. As long as the state offers free riding places I'm gonna use them.

Yes Chris your right, I meant illegal free riding.

I see your point, but state riding isn't free. We pay registration and insurance to be legal to ride there. Those areas are great places to ride, but aren't necessarily convenient to all riders.

Neither are the pay to play area's! None of them are with'n an hour of my house. LOL!! But all the FREE state trails are. Registration and insurance and gas for the quad I never consider in my spending to ride. But the fuel for my truck, the lodging, and meals I do. Registration and insurance and gas for the quad are things I am supposed to have in order to ride on anything other than private property in this fine state of Pennsylvania. LOL!! I have rode some pay to play places but none of them had anything to offer that was better than what I could ride at WS or BS or even just around my house. But exploring new places is fun though. LOL!! I'm just saying if Rock Run is closest place to ride, it more than likely is the cheapest. If not why waste your money if you think its to much.

Let's say you live near New Lost Trails, which we would say is "pay to play". A larger family could get a membership there, and avoid PA registration and all insurance costs and still spend less than you would to ride "FREE" state trails. I have riding friends that can't ride state trails because they don't want to incur the cost of insurance, or they don't have a title, or whatever other red tape. Point is, nothing is free if it has to do with the state!

As for Rock Run, 125 for the year doesn't seem too harsh, but it is frustrating that it is a double charge to ride there.

I can't comment on the no registration and insurance thing cause I don't understand the logic in it. LOL!!
I don't ride Rock Run just cause of the double charge! Sorry mud duck thats why I didn't go! LOL!!

If you can make it on a Wednesday or Thursday its $10. The two times my little group have been there was on a Thurs and there were only a couple of other riders there. It was great having the place mostly to ourselves. For me, its about an hour drive and I feel its worth it to go there occasionally. I agree with Hammer07 that its hard to beat SSRT, especially since I have direct access to it from home, but an occasional trip to Rock Run adds to my overall ATV enjoyment.

PA registration is $22 for two years, typical insurance on a quad is less then $100 a year. You would have to have a family of more then 4 people for a pass to Lost Trails to be cheaper.

Distance is a factor nowadays, with gas near $4 a gallon the cost to travel to the place matters.

Mike

Thanks, Mike. I think everyone can do the math. Are you saying a family of 4 is atypical or that state trails are free? Also, family tends to become very extended when signing up for family memberships :winkwink:

Wildhorse and I have never rode at Rock Run. We hate the "pay to play" places. However, we are members of Tri County. We bought that membership because it's about an hour away from us, and we need somewhere to ride while WS and BS are shut down for hunting. A one hour drive to ride the ATVs is relatively inexpensive, and it's easy to make it a day trip. I prefer WS over anywhere - but that's because it combines camping and riding, which I thoroughly enjoy.

To each their own, but I prefer to ride "free". I also don't count the registration/insurance/gas for the ATVs - we carry it no matter what. The local group that we ride with sometimes won't go to WS or BS because no one has registration or insurance...it sucks because we would like them to experience it, but it's their choice.

cris if I new that I would have payed it fo ya. chit after paying for the gas what is $16.

Just comparing the math. Lost trails allows up to a family of 4 before they start charging for more ($25 each) But the family has to be minors living in the same household to qualify.

All I was saying is that it would take a family of 4 for a Lost Trails pass to be cheaper then registration & insurance on all the machines, but then, you would be limited to riding only there.

Mike

I think it would be best to know Pa. ATV law. Private riding "pay for
plays" do not exempt you from the requirments of registration and
insurance. Can be around $300 a pop in fines per unit.

I sat in on a meeting in Harrisburg a couple of years back discussing
the legalities of park operators allowing unregistered ATV's.
DCNR's response was simple and straight forward. Get caught and
the states's coffer's get larger. Poker Runs were also placed in
the same catagory.

A second not so well known fact is that if your Child is under the age of 16 and does not have their DCNR training Certificate, even riding on private land with permission is subject to a fine. I do not think its ever been enforced, but its definitely in the rule book.

I did not know that, Lost Trails does not require reg/ins and that is what makes it attractive to NJ riders since PA & NJ do not recognize each others registration. On various poker runs I have done there is a waiver and part of it usually states that you have reg/ins but they don't actually check it. The once exception was this year at the Renovo ATV Cruise for a cure. Since DCNR was escorting the majority of the ride through the state forest trails, you had to have your cards at sign-in. Honestly its the first time in four years I ever had to show my cards.

I have been checked at SSRT, but for the sticker only, you have to send in a copy of reg/ins to get a permit for SSRT.

Mike

Yes all Waivers used by ride parks, or poker runs should have a
statement saying; All Riders and their ATV's shall comply with Pa.
ATV law. Most don't check because they simply can't be bothered
and prefer the cash flow. DCNR can come onto any place and ckeck
for illegal riding. If Brand X ride park is knowingly letting out
of state riders without proper registration and insurance, they
will soon find they will be contributing to the ATV/Snowmobile
fund. It's the Law that Park and event operators also comply with
Pa. ATV law.

I am pretty sure the first time I ever went to Lost Trails, the first park, they needed insurance/registration. The second time I went you didn't, I thought it was weird. Maybe they found away around it. Who knows.

Yes, the first year they required it, but didn't check, then I think it was in the 2nd year they dropped the requirement.

Mike

the cheapest place i know of is marienville pa $35 a year whos cheaper than that ? plus its free camping what more could you ask for? and there is 2 trail systems

yes, it a good deal, but if its the only place, i'd get bored. there are 3 trail systems at marionvile, and if you count the rest of anf, there are 5

SSRT is $15 a year, that is the cheapest I have seen.

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