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#18414 - 01/24/12 11:24 AM Responsibility of Firearms ownership & CHILDREN .
4x4dad Offline
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I recently heard the unbelievably tragic story of police officer John Thompson . He left his duty weapon unattended in the house and his 5 yr. old accidentally shot himself and died . Testimony from friends and relatives say , both are loving parents without doubt . Not only is Thompson an officer , but also holds down 2 other jobs to provide for his family . Along with his weapon being left loaded & unattended , there were also many rounds of ammunition laying near by . That being said for the love of his children and being a loving father that provides for his family , what should be the juries call when this case goes to trial ? He also ( refused ) a plea bargin that would require him to no longer be an officer .


http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2012/01/23/former-officer-rejects-plea-deal-in-sons-death/


Edited by 4x4dad (01/24/12 11:35 AM)

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#18418 - 01/24/12 01:16 PM Re: Responsibility of Firearms ownership & CHILDREN . [Re: 4x4dad]
Myleslong Online   content
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Registered: 07/27/10
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Loc: Lycoming County, PA
I don't have any rifles or pistols, mostly cause of my kids. How can a weapon protect a family all locked up? Seconds count and if it were me I would want my duty weapon ready to rock at a seconds notice. You never know when a bad guy might want vengence and come to your home. But on the other hand with children the duty weapon should have never left his side, it wasn't protecting him and his family left unattended. Complacency kills is what I always heard in the Army. His only mistake was leaving the weapon unattended is how I see it. Its a shame what happened.

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#18420 - 01/24/12 02:33 PM Re: Responsibility of Firearms ownership & CHILDREN . [Re: 4x4dad]
Markdb Offline
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Registered: 04/02/11
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Such a tragic story, I have 2 guns, shotgun by the bed and a AK47 downstairs, both are loaded with safety on. Having a gun in one room and ammo in another or locked up to me makes no sense. I have 2 girls, 4 and 8. From the time they could understand I explained to them what the gun is, used for and what it can do. They were told never to touch, go near or even look at the gun. They do not. If I ask them to get me the gun, they refuse, If I tell them to look at the gun, they look away. Like anything else education is key. I explain to my kids several times a year this.
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#18427 - 01/24/12 04:10 PM Re: Responsibility of Firearms ownership & CHILDREN . [Re: 4x4dad]
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Registered: 12/27/10
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Loc: Chester Co. PA
Originally Posted By: 4x4dad
That being said for the love of his children and being a loving father that provides for his family , what should be the juries call when this case goes to trial ? He also ( refused ) a plea bargin that would require him to no longer be an officer .
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2012/01/23/former-officer-rejects-plea-deal-in-sons-death/


I don't understand the need to prosecute this guy. His son is dead and yes it's part his fault, but he'll pay an the awful price in mental anguish for the rest of his life.He made mistakes and probably wishes the bullet hit him, but should he go to jail for it ? If the guy has an otherwise spotless record as a father and officer, then I think not.
This is a sad situation indeed, but enough already with the government legislating our personal lives.
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#18428 - 01/24/12 05:14 PM Re: Responsibility of Firearms ownership & CHILDREN . [Re: 4x4dad]
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Stinkfoot,I agree with you 100%.
There are also many ways to keep a loaded handgun safe and accessable. One is the Biometric Pistol Vault. They can store your loaded pistol and can be opened quickly with one hand when needed.
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#18432 - 01/24/12 05:54 PM Re: Responsibility of Firearms ownership & CHILDREN . [Re: 4x4dad]
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That poor man probably thinks about it everyday, and that is worse than any sentence they could give to him.
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#18440 - 01/24/12 07:30 PM Re: Responsibility of Firearms ownership & CHILDREN . [Re: Mayor Rrudzi]
Mcfly Offline
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Originally Posted By: Mayor Rrudzi
Stinkfoot,I agree with you 100%.
There are also many ways to keep a loaded handgun safe and accessable. One is the Biometric Pistol Vault. They can store your loaded pistol and can be opened quickly with one hand when needed.


Exactly what I have Rudz. http://www.gunvault.com/handgun-safes/minivault.html?cat=5 Stores a fully loaded Springfield XD 45 thats ready to rock. Access is literally seconds. The only finger that opens that safe are mine and my wifes.

The safe downstairs has "stuff" in it, and the only one that knows the combo is me. I have it written on a piece of paper and it is taped to the roof of the biometric safe should something ever happen to me and the wife needs access.

The above mentioned, is an irresponsible gun owner, even if he is a police officer.


Edited by Mcfly (01/24/12 07:31 PM)
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#18441 - 01/24/12 07:55 PM Re: Responsibility of Firearms ownership & CHILDREN . [Re: 4x4dad]
Tim D Offline
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Registered: 01/02/12
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Loc: Allegheny County
When my kids were growing up I had the guns locked in a safe, the ammo locked up in a second safe, and the actions locked up in a third safe.

This certainly protected them from harming themselves, but would have been useless as far as protecting my family against an outside intruder.
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#18443 - 01/24/12 08:21 PM Re: Responsibility of Firearms ownership & CHILDREN . [Re: 4x4dad]
Irish3wheeler Offline
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Registered: 02/28/11
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Loc: Bucks County, Pa.
I dont know what they are prosecuting him for, I would probably be able to comprehend Involuntary Manslaughter, if it made any sense at all. Should the man lose his position on the Force, thats debatable, and should he be denied a carry permit as well?

My kids are used to guns, have shot them, and know how to operate them. There is one hidden where only Linda and I know where it is, and there is another that only I know about. I figure with 200 pounds of German Shepherd here, Ill have a few seconds to get to either one, no matter where I am in the house.

I have caught myself removing my holster after a day out, and placing it on the table when no one was home and then sitting down for a minute, only to wake up half an hour after the Family got home. Linda had immediately put the gun out of sight. What if she had stayed outside to play with the dogs or straighten her car, and one of the kids came in and started playing with the gun? Its one of my greatest fears, which is why I put it away as soon as I get in the house, and keep it very clear in my head to do so. That fear from that incident keeps it very fresh in my mind.

I cant imagine the anguish he is suffering through, and what it will do to him in the course of his lifetime. But how much different is it, honestly, than the Families we have heard about who accidentally let their toddler out of sight "just for a minute" and then found them floating in a pool? Do those parents get a Manslaughter trial? Or is it just an accident?

The facts are he made a mistake, the weapon was legally owned, and carried as required by his employment. An accident happened, and he will pay for it the rest of his life, no matter what the Judge decides.
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#18444 - 01/24/12 08:35 PM Re: Responsibility of Firearms ownership & CHILDREN . [Re: 4x4dad]
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Good insight Irish. That poor man and family will be punished for the rest of their lives. No judge or jury could inflict more pain then they already have. If anything I hope we all learn from it. One second of carelessness can't be a lifetime of pain.
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