#18418 - 01/24/12 01:16 PM
Re: Responsibility of Firearms ownership & CHILDREN .
[Re: 4x4dad]
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old hand
Registered: 07/27/10
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Loc: Lycoming County, PA
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I don't have any rifles or pistols, mostly cause of my kids. How can a weapon protect a family all locked up? Seconds count and if it were me I would want my duty weapon ready to rock at a seconds notice. You never know when a bad guy might want vengence and come to your home. But on the other hand with children the duty weapon should have never left his side, it wasn't protecting him and his family left unattended. Complacency kills is what I always heard in the Army. His only mistake was leaving the weapon unattended is how I see it. Its a shame what happened.
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#18420 - 01/24/12 02:33 PM
Re: Responsibility of Firearms ownership & CHILDREN .
[Re: 4x4dad]
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newbie
Registered: 04/02/11
Posts: 47
Loc: Long Island NY
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Such a tragic story, I have 2 guns, shotgun by the bed and a AK47 downstairs, both are loaded with safety on. Having a gun in one room and ammo in another or locked up to me makes no sense. I have 2 girls, 4 and 8. From the time they could understand I explained to them what the gun is, used for and what it can do. They were told never to touch, go near or even look at the gun. They do not. If I ask them to get me the gun, they refuse, If I tell them to look at the gun, they look away. Like anything else education is key. I explain to my kids several times a year this.
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#18428 - 01/24/12 05:14 PM
Re: Responsibility of Firearms ownership & CHILDREN .
[Re: 4x4dad]
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veteran
Registered: 07/26/10
Posts: 1330
Loc: Bucks Co. Pa
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Stinkfoot,I agree with you 100%. There are also many ways to keep a loaded handgun safe and accessable. One is the Biometric Pistol Vault. They can store your loaded pistol and can be opened quickly with one hand when needed.
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#18432 - 01/24/12 05:54 PM
Re: Responsibility of Firearms ownership & CHILDREN .
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enthusiast
Registered: 11/26/11
Posts: 303
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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That poor man probably thinks about it everyday, and that is worse than any sentence they could give to him.
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#18440 - 01/24/12 07:30 PM
Re: Responsibility of Firearms ownership & CHILDREN .
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addict
Registered: 08/02/10
Posts: 478
Loc: Formerly from C-town
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Stinkfoot,I agree with you 100%. There are also many ways to keep a loaded handgun safe and accessable. One is the Biometric Pistol Vault. They can store your loaded pistol and can be opened quickly with one hand when needed. Exactly what I have Rudz. http://www.gunvault.com/handgun-safes/minivault.html?cat=5 Stores a fully loaded Springfield XD 45 thats ready to rock. Access is literally seconds. The only finger that opens that safe are mine and my wifes. The safe downstairs has "stuff" in it, and the only one that knows the combo is me. I have it written on a piece of paper and it is taped to the roof of the biometric safe should something ever happen to me and the wife needs access. The above mentioned, is an irresponsible gun owner, even if he is a police officer.
Edited by Mcfly (01/24/12 07:31 PM)
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#18441 - 01/24/12 07:55 PM
Re: Responsibility of Firearms ownership & CHILDREN .
[Re: 4x4dad]
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journeyman
Registered: 01/02/12
Posts: 62
Loc: Allegheny County
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When my kids were growing up I had the guns locked in a safe, the ammo locked up in a second safe, and the actions locked up in a third safe.
This certainly protected them from harming themselves, but would have been useless as far as protecting my family against an outside intruder.
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#18443 - 01/24/12 08:21 PM
Re: Responsibility of Firearms ownership & CHILDREN .
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 02/28/11
Posts: 1688
Loc: Bucks County, Pa.
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I dont know what they are prosecuting him for, I would probably be able to comprehend Involuntary Manslaughter, if it made any sense at all. Should the man lose his position on the Force, thats debatable, and should he be denied a carry permit as well?
My kids are used to guns, have shot them, and know how to operate them. There is one hidden where only Linda and I know where it is, and there is another that only I know about. I figure with 200 pounds of German Shepherd here, Ill have a few seconds to get to either one, no matter where I am in the house.
I have caught myself removing my holster after a day out, and placing it on the table when no one was home and then sitting down for a minute, only to wake up half an hour after the Family got home. Linda had immediately put the gun out of sight. What if she had stayed outside to play with the dogs or straighten her car, and one of the kids came in and started playing with the gun? Its one of my greatest fears, which is why I put it away as soon as I get in the house, and keep it very clear in my head to do so. That fear from that incident keeps it very fresh in my mind.
I cant imagine the anguish he is suffering through, and what it will do to him in the course of his lifetime. But how much different is it, honestly, than the Families we have heard about who accidentally let their toddler out of sight "just for a minute" and then found them floating in a pool? Do those parents get a Manslaughter trial? Or is it just an accident?
The facts are he made a mistake, the weapon was legally owned, and carried as required by his employment. An accident happened, and he will pay for it the rest of his life, no matter what the Judge decides.
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#18444 - 01/24/12 08:35 PM
Re: Responsibility of Firearms ownership & CHILDREN .
[Re: 4x4dad]
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member
Registered: 07/25/11
Posts: 165
Loc: Cogan Station Pa
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Good insight Irish. That poor man and family will be punished for the rest of their lives. No judge or jury could inflict more pain then they already have. If anything I hope we all learn from it. One second of carelessness can't be a lifetime of pain.
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